All rights reserved. Since every sprayer is different, the only advice I can give is to TRY IT! June 28, 2006. I have found that if you thin with acetone in lieu of mineral spirits the Rustoleum not only flows much better, it dries more completely and much quicker. Step 2
. This is volume of air pressure per cubic foot. Paul Dobbin, Jump to Latest Follow ... MF's got wiped out by oil base enamel. The instructions on the Rustoleum can say to use mineral spirits to thin for spraying. The final control which is very important will be the fan control.  The “fan” is how long the shape of spray pattern is.   If you spray a test on a scrap piece of paper or cardboard for a split second you will want to see the paint resemble a football shape.  The fan control allows you to change the shape from a football all the way down to a dot.   For over all paint jobs such as an exterior of a vehicle we recommend taking your fan control and opening it all the way up and then turn it back down an 1/8 to a 1/4 turn.  This will achieve the best atomization of your paint to give you the best possible results.  Hopefully this will allow you to comfortably understand the settings of your new spray gun.  If you’re still hungry for some more information we have an excellent video with Kevin Tetz which goes even further in depth to make sure your next paint job turns out right and makes people say WOW.   Click here to jump on over to our YouTube channel to see Kevin in action. HVLP systems are not designed to spray heavier bodied latex paint. I promise not to drive these gas pumps over 30 MPH, so there is no fear of the paint blowing off. Eventually I'll try the HVLP gig.....for fussier jobs. Reply. Sign up now to receive exclusive email deals, industry news, and new product releases.*. December 3, 2008 in General Discussion. Now instead of holding the paint gun up to 18 inches from the panel these new guns have you spraying at 6-8 inches. We recommend painting between 25-30 psi while the trigger is pulled.  You may see some paint tech sheets which refer to a painting air pressure of 8-10. It features a control trigger that will allow you to spray in pattern up to 10 inches. I have to date been successful in doctoring Rustoleum paints, with no ill effects. Spraying SW Proclassic acrylic latex. While you will get acceptable results with a siphon feed spray gun, you will get better results by using a high-volume, low-pressure gun, which sprays paint at the same rate but with much less overspray. Post in the forum instead. Here’s what Kevin Tetz and Eastwood recommends for the Concourse HVLP gun. Recently, I began using Benjamin Moore's Aura exterior acrylic latex paint, and, overall, love it, but would like to spray it with my HVLP on moderate sized carved panels to avoid brush marks. I think you will be surprised how nice, the Rusto paint can look, if sprayed with the right ingredients mixed in.........Fred. By special55, October 12, 2009 in Technical. By Paul Dobbin, December 3, 2008 in General Discussion. Sign up for a new account in our community. ©2017 The Eastwood Company. I've sprayed a lot of varnish but not much paint so I could use some help. I spray Rustoleum occasionally out of my primer gun. Put on a respirator and then turn on the compressor. Flowed out beautifully. For spraying clear coats on small parts and projects, we recommend a 1.2mm tip. You have a project that needs some paint? Fill the paint cup with enamel paint and attach to the HVLP Spray Gun. I painted the bottom of one of my trailers and it worked fine on the steel framing, but will it work on flat smooth body panels? I’m getting more confident in using my spray gun and since I’ve used Polycrylic in an HVLP sprayer, I cannot wait to try other waterborne wood finishes in … I save the HVLP for more visible work. Acrylic enamel is a harder paint in general because you actually add activator to your mixture. While it is not a BC/CC, Urethane, or Auto Acrylic enamel, it is a tough paint, and can be very durable. Instead use 100% acrylic enamel paint. The cup on a siphon gun is located below the nozzle, and pressurized … Both systems can be sprayed with HVLP or LVLP spray guns and we will talk about this in other posts and show you full length videos inside VIP. Reseal the cap, and then adjust the pressure of the spray gun to 20 pounds per square inch. Spraying Latex Primer and Paint with HVLP Basic advice for a first-timer on product selection, tip choice, and thinning. It’s a gun-type handheld paint sprayer which releases paint in spray form. It's easy! Why spray latex with an HVLP spray gun Most of the time when you are spraying latex you will be painting interiors of homes It is often very common to use airless sprayers for this purpose. Be sure to check your tip size so it is correct for a slightly thicker material. If you're familiar with your gun, you should have no problems. Usually the instructions that come with the gun will have a handy spray gun tip size chart too. However, with some understanding you can successfully do so. Setting the air pressure to about 28-29 PSI for clear will ensure you having great flow out. Not likely, this stuff sticks like SSSSSS to a blanket, unless the surface was very contaminated. Copyright © 2020, Antique Automobile Club of America. 1 tack coat, wait for paint to flash, depending on temp, humidity, then followed by 2 medium coats of paint. Share Followers 0. For spraying a whole car, a 1.3mm tip is recommended. By I was amazed at how well they turned out, especially for being my first time spraying anything. e thinned for HVLP spraying, and typically 5-10% works for pressure feed, while 10% or furniture use, do not use latex wall paint. Latex enamel paints are highly durable, easy to clean, eco-friendly paints that dry quickly, with a high gloss finish. With Rust-o-leum paint in a spray gun, what's needed to get it to flow out like automotive paint? HVLP paint gun. That way you can use slow, medium, or fast depending on the weather conditions. Powered by Invision Community. It's time to redo my 3 gas pumps in the yard and I thought I'd change brands to GULF and paint them with orange Rust-o-leum in my HVLP gun. Hi, I have some previously painted in dark brown acrylic, wood plantation shutters including frames donated to me, from a neighbor who has the same model home as myself. I think I used regular paint thinner from Home Depot. Don’t set the spray gun to those as this measurement is referring to the air cap pressure right where the paint comes out.  This is a measurement that only the paint gun manufacture has the gauge to read.  But by setting your spray gun to the recommended 25-30 PSI at the base you will achieve proper air cap pressure. On the other hand, this product weighs only 11.2 pounds for easy portability. I use mostly 100% acrylic latex paints for high quality exterior signs (usually applied with roller/brush). I have always used a regular old fashioned spray gun with a quart can, or hooked it to a 3 gal pot for bigger jobs. It is mandatory for certain specialized applications such as water immersion and Open the paint reservoir cap of the HVLP spray gun and pour the paint mix in. Unless you are spraying acrylic enamel from a can, you will need an air spray gun and a compressor to apply it -- it is not a job for an airless sprayer. http://www.flood.com/Flood/CustomerSupport/FAQ/DIY/Penetrol+FAQ.htm. The best thing about having an HVLP spray gun kit is it’s very handy to use for large and small surfaces. Probably not ideal, and perhaps why it stayed soft for longer than I expected, but no problems otherwise. Now let’s get into the reason you all clicked to read this article, how to properly set up the spray gun to achieve the best possible paint job.  The spray gun I will be using as an example will be our Concours Pro paint gun, which is pictured above.  The first thing I will talk about setting up will be air pressure since this can and should be done before you even put paint into your gun.  Each spray gun will have three controls and their locations may differ slightly.  Check your instructions to ensure you move the correct ones.  Since that is out of the way let’s show you where on the Eastwood Concours Pro you can find the air control. This paint when mixed correctly as I have prescribed on my other post not only sprays well with a gravity feed hvlp gun 1.3, 1.4 ,1.5 tips, will be very glossy on a smooth well prepped surface, should come out looking awesome. Copyright © 2020, Antique Automobile Club of America. I have never sprayed with my HVLP. The last time I used Rust-O-leum for a brushing project, I put it away and got some Benj. I do find Rustoleum very chemical resistant, a super corrosion resistant product to boot...........Fred, You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. You ca always add another coat, but dealing with drips and sags defeats the purpose of spraying, which is efficiency and quality of finish. He goes on to focus on HVLP for spraying acrylic paint. It may not be as tough in salt/moisture environments, like POR 15, Rust Bullit,Zero Rust, but for our purposes they won't be sitting in moisture and salt. can be used for spraying or brushing ,sorry,
Originally Posted By: KenHupp20
can be used for spraying or brushing ,sorry. If you are hesitant, you could alway buy, an automotive acyrlic enamel such as Dupont, PPG, or even a Urethane based topcoat. When painters "enamel" trim what exactly is the product they spray? This video for an airless spray painted kitchen in Warwick shows that Ron knows what he is talking about! ABRASIVE BLASTING Abrasive blast is the most effective method of cleaning steel and masonry surfaces prior to coating. Although there are many sprayers on the market today, many professionals still use a version of the original siphon feed gun developed by Joe Binks for the 1896 Chicago World Fair. Step 4 Apply all primer and finish coats in a dust free, properly ventilated paint booth. This next image is of the location of the fluid control.  This changes how far the fluid needle can be pulled back ultimately controlling how much paint can come out when you pull the trigger.  If you tighten this all the way in you’ll actually be able to make it so you cannot even pull the trigger far enough to let any paint out.  The recommended setting for this is a tricky one as it is more about personally preference.  Most painters, including myself, recommend leaving the fluid control all the way open to allow the maximum amount through to create a nice wet coat each time you spray.  Then, if you need just a mist of paint to somewhere such as a tight corner, you can just slightly pull back on the trigger to let a little bit of paint back. I painted the bottom of one of my trailers and it worked fine on the steel framing, but will it work on flat smooth body panels? How to Apply Behr Paint with a Sprayer. Often used in areas of higher traffic once reserved for oil-based paints, latex enamel paints are applied using traditional painting methods. Contact Us - DO NOT EMAIL CAR QUESTIONS. Anybody had any experience with this? Share ... with no ill effects. This mix sprays out real nice, lays down well. HLVP or High-volume, low-pressure gun can be purchased from a number of retailers including Lowe’s, Harbor Freight, or Grainger.
Originally Posted By: Paul Dobbin
Here's a question that requires the do-it-your-self experience. Here's a photo (it looks ashy gray, but is high-gloss black, the arrow points to a sag I had from laying it on too thick): I would recommend two thin coats rather than one thick one. Practice on a scrap board first until you get your settings right, then go for it! With synthetic enamel, you basically mix reducer with your paint and that’s it. I have a cabinet that I need to spray enamel to match a customers trim in there house. Rustoleum or any hardware store enamel equivalent can be souped up , by adding the Automotive enamel reducers, hardener/gloss agents. However, airless sprayers do not provide the same quality of finish that you can achieve with an HVLP Spray Gun. Choose one that has a hopper size large enough for the job that you are interested in doing. This is more my choice than anything else. The to top that off color sanding, and polishing with Meguires. The spraying gun is well fixed and will reduce … Fill the cup of a siphon gun about 3/4 full of acrylic enamel and screw the cup onto the gun. I've sprayed alot of Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer using standard enamel reducer from the auto parts store. In this case, you may add a small amount of Floetrol additive and a small amount of water to aid in thinning the paint. These sprayers should have at least a 60 gallon compressed air tank in order to maintain high velocity air at regulated pressure. I have also used the rusty metal priemr cut with enamel reducer as a substrate base pirmer, once cured about a week, I have used body fillers, fibreglass, 2 k urethane primer/surfacers all with no issue, this rusty metal primer, has great adhesion, corrosion reistance, filling qualites, sands nice when fully cured too...........Fred. Always strain material through a medium to fine mesh filter before spraying. Thanks. If you are paing a vehicle, you can let this paint cure about a month, then color sand, and buff polish to a brilliant shine. Since Rustoleum does not market a reducer I contacted the Rustoleum tech, he recomended acetone.I have been using Rustoleum for years to spray frames etc. Last year we remodeled our kitchen an I shot the cabinet doors with SW Pro Classic Alkyd Acrylic using the $100 HVLP turbine from Harbor Freight. I was just trying to apply color rather than protection, but it was my first time with the spray gun, so it wasn't perfect. I painted my torque tube with high-gloss black Rustoleum epoxy and thinned it about 15%. These paint guns increased the efficiency of how much paint actually made it to the panel saving you from wasted paint. Recommended Posts. However, it will depend on your project. Moore, job came out great! I was wondering what kind of compressor do I need for a hvlp spray gun. Behr paints are a high-quality paint best suited for airless paint sprayers. When spraying clear coat I like to up the pressure 2-3 psi for a little more atomization and better flow out. HVLP is High volume low-pressure sprayer technique that is used to paint, varnish, retouching, and similar kind of job. Two brands are ake sure that the paint is at room temperature as the viscosity increases when it’s cold. Step 1. Born were first HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure).
Originally Posted By: KenHupp20
You might want to check out using Penetrol paint conditioner. Add the water and el, T WITH HVLP … Aerosol paint cans are convenient for sure....BUT Rustoleum in bulk is pretty cheap! Reactions: [email protected] ... a sprayer to get too much on. learn that it worked well for you. The first thing that will catch your attention is the sturdy construction. While it is not a BC/CC, Urethane, or Auto Acrylic enamel, it is a tough paint, and can be very durable. Advice for spraying Engine enamel with HVLP gun Advice for spraying Engine enamel with HVLP gun. I have shot this paint with regular mineral spirits too, but expect a slow dry/flash, this paint really does a lot better with a hardener added to the mix. The latex enamel may be difficult to work with. My problem was that it took a long time to cure, so when I set it back on the jackstands with rags on them, the paint moved around a little, leaving marks. High quality acrylic urethane paints should be sprayed with high volume, high pressure compressed air driven sprayers. That mixture information is exactly what I wanted and to. Test the spray pattern on a scrap piece of wood or metal. Most HVLP spray guns will use 10-14 scfm at 40 psi. I've done this with very good results. If you are only painting a small panel such as a door or fender, pick one with an 8 oz or so hopper. If you don’t enjoy brushing on latex paint, or if you are not able to achieve the level of quality in your painting that you’d like, then you should try spraying latex paint with HVLP equipment. Anybody had any experience with this? You might want to check out using Penetrol paint conditioner. I bought a quart of acrylic enamel reducer from the local auto paint store. I've also used enamel reducer with the lower priced "equipment enamels" sold at Fleet Farm with good results. Ron Taylor first started using acrylic trim paints in 2004, and is now an authority in the UK on the application of water-based paints with brush, roller and spray. I assume it's oil based not latex. Of course, it hasn't been exposed to the road yet, so maybe it'll peel off in sheets. HVLP Spraying using an Acrylic paint - viscosity question. Spraying Latex and Benjamin Moore Advance with Fuji HVLP « on: July 28, 2013, 07:54 AM » I just bought a brand new Fuji Mini Mite 4 with a gravity fed gun and wanted some input from those of you that have had success spraying it. In some applications, the painter finds that "spraying" the paint is the best method. Here's a question that requires the do-it-your-self experience. Fluid tip sizes for HVLP should be as follows: - Dye Stains 1.1mm - Wood Stains 1.1mm to 1.3mm - Top Coats 1.1mm to 1.3mm - Milk Paint 1.8mm Contact your supplier to verify proper tip sizes for your specific equipment. Have you ever wondered what it would take to paint your own car?  Save yourself tons of money by doing the paint job at home.  For years and years the go to standard spray gun was a Binks siphon fed gun.  These spray guns were best used with lacquer based paint while holding huge distances from the panels to apply the paint.   As paint technology increased so did the demand for new paint guns to lay smooth glass like finishes.  Born were first HVLP (High Volume Low Pressure).  These paint guns increased the efficiency of how much paint actually made it to the panel saving you from wasted paint.  Now instead of holding the paint gun up to 18 inches from the panel these new guns have you spraying at 6-8 inches. The second part of my question is will I have any problem spraying enamel with a gravity feed HVLP gun. Spraying Rust-o-leum in a HVLP gun Spraying Rust-o-leum in a HVLP gun. Recommended Spray Tips for Wood Stains and Top Coats. ... Also consider going over latex or acrylic with a clear WB lacquer (call the manufacturer for compatibility and surface preparation). I thought this thread was about spraying with an HVLP, not brushing??? The figure on the left shows where the air control is located.  I always recommend leaving this control wide open for 99% of your painting.  This way you can get a much more accurate pressure by attaching a pressure regulator as you see pictured to the right of the spray gun.  This happens to be our Concours Pro Air Regulator.  With this attached right at the base of your gun you can pull the trigger as if you were painting all the way back and start making adjustments to the regulator. The viscosity (thickness) of latex paint makes it hard for spray guns to fully atomize the paint, meaning that it's difficult with a lower pressure turbine unit to break the material up into small enough particles to get an ultra smooth surface. 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